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i saw a couple of mentions of deep creek in other threads. can anyone tell me how to get there? i've been there once, and hold it as my highest standard for hot springs, as it was close to paradise as can be (if it wasn't for the rattlesnakes).
i remember that we had to go through a town called hesperia, and had to head east (?) off the freeway, and jog over off the main street, and park on private land and hike in. any more direction than that? i'd love to go there again....
wendy
i saw a couple of mentions of deep creek in other threads. can anyone tell me how to get there? i've been there once, and hold it as my highest standard for hot springs, as it was close to paradise as can be (if it wasn't for the rattlesnakes).
i remember that we had to go through a town called hesperia, and had to head east (?) off the freeway, and jog over off the main street, and park on private land and hike in. any more direction than that? i'd love to go there again....
wendy
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Re: deep creek
Wed, March 24, 2004 - 1:07 PMYwww.adrenalineadventures.net/hik...html
You have inspired me - I'm getting back out there soon myself. It's been like 2 years - 2 years too long. -
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Wed, March 24, 2004 - 11:05 PMfabulous. thanks very much! i'm dyin' to go. haven't been there since '97. -
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Thu, March 25, 2004 - 12:50 PMThought you might be interested in the environmentalist vs. offroaders battle that's going on right there at our beloved little Deep Creek:
March 25, 2004 E-mail story Print
By Louis Sahagun, Times Staff Writer
HESPERIA, Calif. — A range war has broken out between environmentalists and off-road motorcyclists over an illegal 3-mile dirt trail that cuts through prehistoric burial grounds and runs past a cave believed to have been used by Native Americans.
The motorcyclists say they are finding booby-traps on the foot-wide trail — piano wire stretched taut a few inches above the ground, roofing nails, and pipes camouflaged with brush — designed to topple motorcyclists who regard the Cottonwood Springs area of Juniper Flats as a scenic riding route.
Environmentalists, led by members of a local residents group, Friends of Juniper Flats, have denied any responsibility for the alleged acts of sabotage. But they, and some former federal land managers, say motorcyclists have cut property fences, "burning trails" on private property, and trashed what they consider the culturally rich site designated as an "area of critical environmental concern" by the federal Bureau of Land Management.
The activists also accuse the BLM's Barstow field office of failing to enforce its own rules and regulations as more off-roaders look to the 3 million acres of public land overseen by the office as a place to ride. The area, the environmentalists say, is too big to manage, let alone police, with only 11 BLM rangers.
The dispute over Juniper Flats, about 10 miles east of here, is one of many that the federal agency is wrestling with in the California desert. The popularity of off-road motorcycling, particularly in such rapidly growing communities as Hesperia, has increased along with calls for stricter controls over the motorcyclists' access to public lands.
Like every other popular destination on open land, Juniper Flats has a range of reputations that those rangers struggle to maintain: as a premier hiking area, a bird watcher's paradise, a haven for wildlife, an ancestral home of Serrano Indians, an off-road motorcycle course.
Adding to the tensions, BLM officials concede that until recently even they were not sure whether motorcyclists should be allowed on the trail. Until October, officials said, they were assuring the motorcyclists that they were permitted there.
"There was a lag time in determining what was legal and what wasn't," acknowledged Roxie Trost, acting Barstow field office manager. "We have determined in the past six weeks that it is not open for off-road use.
"But we still have one group telling us there is no resource damage occurring, and another telling us there's been extensive resource damage. The BLM is doing necessary surveys out there to come to a conclusion."
The dispute may be resolved next month, when the agency is expected to issue its West Mojave Plan, 12 years in the making. The plan will designate certain networks of routes appropriate for off-road vehicles and take others out of commission.
In the meantime, "it's a dangerous war out there," said Ed Waldheim, president of the 5,000-member California Off-Road Vehicle Assn.
"Some folks in the off-road vehicle field say that trail has been there forever and that they ought to be able to use it," he said. "Enviros on the far left say we shouldn't exist. Both sides need to hold back their testosterone levels and wait for the West Mojave Plan to come out."
On Monday, all four tires of a BLM truck were damaged by roofing nails apparently strewn in the vicinity of the disputed trail known as J1299, according to BLM recreation branch chief Harold Johnson. The vehicle belonged to Barstow-area rangers dispatched to repair a recently cut barbed-wire fence.
"We found a couple of nail strips out there about six months ago, and somebody else found piano wire stretched across the trail," Johnson said. "Somebody's going to get injured, or possibly killed."
The hilly, rocky terrain is dominated by the large rock shelter known locally as a shaman's cave. Archeologists believe that it had been used by Serrano Indians off and on over 3,000 years as a seasonal village in a transition zone between forest and desert, and as a sacred site for conducting fertility rites and burial ceremonies.
On a recent weekday, fresh motorcycle tracks were etched into the sand a few feet from the rock shelter. The cave is on a bluff overlooking pools of spring water surrounded by fire-charred creosote bushes and a network of dirt roads and trails.
"Off-road motorcycling through that area is having an adverse impact on archeological sites that are tremendously important," said BLM archeologist Sally Cunkelman. "There are only a few other places in the entire 3 million acres covered by the Barstow BLM office that require the same intensive management it does."
Dean Greenwalt, a Friends of Juniper Flats member and local property owner, shook his head in dismay over a nearby fence that had been cut by someone who also left fresh tire tracks in the soil. "Now is the time to stop these impacts," Greenwalt said. "Or else they'll get so bad they can't be reversed."
Concern over the potential for permanent loss of some resources — especially archeological remains and wildlife habitat — has spurred former BLM Barstow field manager Alden Sievers to publicly accuse the agency of failing to protect the area from an "inappropriate use that flies in the face of all the work we did in developing a cultural resource management plan for the area in 1988."
That kind of talk does not sit well with Mike Castro, a neighbor of Greenwalt's and an off-road motorcyclist who vowed to continue riding the trail he described as "one of the best."
Sitting on a cot in his spare wood-frame home about a mile from Cottonwood Springs, the lanky, long-haired man who charges people $4 a person to cross his land, said environmentalists "don't understand that there are others with a different opinion who are taxpayers and happen to be motorcycle riders."
He also suggested that the recent spate of fence cutting could be the result of motorcyclists "responding to overzealous attempts to sabotage or close them off."
Champion off-road motorcyclist Ty "Zipty" Davis, who has been riding in the area for 26 years, agreed.
"The environmentalists are [angering] motorcyclists, so now some people are cutting fences," he said. "I can see this whole thing evolving into a ground war, which is where it maybe needs to go.
"The environmentalists have all kinds of money, dwell on closing the land and want to fight in the courts…. If it was the old days, they wouldn't be so aggressive. In those days, people fought for their stuff. They just duked it out."
Davis also said the "trails I've burned with my motorcycle have actually improved conditions for wildlife. Animals use those trails now. It's the coolest thing."
Nonetheless, BLM chief Johnson said "motorcyclists ought to stay off" J1299, given that it was never officially designated for off-road use.
"When the West Mojave Plan comes out, the exact status of that trail will be disclosed," Johnson said. "If we determine that it should be closed, we will get rid of it, and have appropriate law enforcement on hand to make sure off-roaders stay out."
Waldheim has a problem with that scenario.
"I'm sick of people shutting me out — of losing off-road vehicle opportunities," he said. "We have to decide whether to fight to keep the trail open, or sue the BLM. Either way, it ain't over till it's over." -
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Re: deep creek
Thu, March 25, 2004 - 12:56 PMSome other info on Deep Creek, a friend of a friend recently died there from hypothermia when she and her boyfriend became lost trying to hike back to their car. You can read about their experience here:
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Sat, February 19, 2005 - 12:06 PMI would love to have read that article but the link doesn't work. Can I talk you into posting the story here or emailing it to me? Thanks. -
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Sun, February 20, 2005 - 10:00 PMactually..when I was at deep creek in November, the story about the girl who died was they were very high on some drug and would not get in the water or put their clothes on..it was very strange...am sorry to hear about all the bad politics down there ...
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Sun, February 20, 2005 - 11:30 PMTry this one: www.vvdailypress.com/2004/10...094.html
Friday, February 6, 2004
Hiker dies from severe hypothermia
By JAMES RAMAGE/Staff Writer
APPLE VALLEY — A stranded hiker found unconscious and with a body temperature of 80 degray morning in the Bowen Ranch area died from severe hypothermia, the San Bernardino County Coroner's Office announced Thursday.
Pomona resident Kortney Zeman, 23, had been hiking at Deep Creek Hot Springs with her boyfriend on her birthday, Monday evening, when it started to rain and snow, Supervising Deputy Coroner Randy Emon said.
"Because of the snow, they couldn't find the path back," Emon said. "So they started hiking toward some lights, thinking it was Hesperia."
After walking all night, they found an abandoned truck, Emon said, and settled inside to sleep.
"By morning (Zeman's) body was in full arrest and her temperature was 80 degrees," Emon said.
Hypothermia can kill by lowering the body's temperature to the point where it can no longer sustain life, Emon said. The body's normal temperature is 98.6 degrees.
The outside temperature had fallen into the teens Monday evening, according to the San Bernardino County Fire Department, and both hikers clothes' were soaked.
Zeman's boyfriend managed to reach authorities and medical personnel Tuesday morning, Emon said, and Zeman was airlifted to Loma Linda University Medical Center, where she was treated for hypothermia.
But doctors were unable to save her. Zeman was declared brain dead Wednesday evening, Emon said.
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Re: deep creek
Mon, February 21, 2005 - 3:41 PMyou can find out info on how to get there here....
www.desertmud.com/hike_details/EventID/9
The page offers serveral different routes.
I was there about two weeks ago.
The water is very high from the Creek... one spring washed out.
But there four high tubs are in great shape.
Amazing place!
David and Steph
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Mon, June 19, 2006 - 11:20 PMHello nobody knows me here but the girl who died in deep creek was my ex girlfriend several years before this all happened we lived in Arizona together for a year worked together were best friends. We splitt on very bad terms I would love to see a picture of her or anything any of you may have. Honestly I did not here about this until two years after the fact Cant get this off my mind just trying to find the closier I never got because of my mistakes Cant fix it know but feel a hole in me just want to here from someone that new her after she moved out here before her passing. Please you or friendsof friends any one please responde
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Mon, June 19, 2006 - 11:23 PMAny info on the girl that did please email me at fiiya09@yahoo.com I knew this person very closley for over a year andruined the best thing that ever happened o me just want to here fron someone that knew here since she has been in caliI livedwith her in Tucson AZ . Please respond to email. please fiiya09@yaoo.com
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Re: deep creek
Thu, December 28, 2006 - 10:15 AMI'm heading up to Deep Creek tomorrow.
Does anyone have any info on current conditions?
Thanks alot!